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[Outlaw]

You know I'm just givin ya mess Anti.. I was an Apple hater but now we use iPhones at work and have replaced the bulky terminals with iPads in our cars.. We can even control our camera drone helicopters with them...

[Wormfood]

I just use Semaphore flags to communicate.

[UsAfBrAn]

Elias, on 04 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

For myself I went with an Iphone for 2 reason. I knew how it worked what it looked like and the keyboard is big. A black berry wouldn't do me because my thumbs are to big for the keyboard and its hard to judge what other phones look like with there demos. (just a plastic case to show you what the home screen looks like) with the Iphone I had a chance to use it and look through it. So for me it was familiarity. I never heard many problems about it and was comfortable with it from the start. either way android and itunes has a lot of the same apps to begin with under my understanding.

Here's the bottom line...There are phones on the market that are identical to the IPhone in every sense, and do every thing that they do. Key DIFFERENCE - they are not bound by the bullshit restrictions of apple - they are open source. Apple does not offer anything that you cannot get elsewhere other than an apple imprinted on your phone.

[Elias]

UsAfBrAn, on 05 February 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Elias, on 04 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

For myself I went with an Iphone for 2 reason. I knew how it worked what it looked like and the keyboard is big. A black berry wouldn't do me because my thumbs are to big for the keyboard and its hard to judge what other phones look like with there demos. (just a plastic case to show you what the home screen looks like) with the Iphone I had a chance to use it and look through it. So for me it was familiarity. I never heard many problems about it and was comfortable with it from the start. either way android and itunes has a lot of the same apps to begin with under my understanding.

Here's the bottom line...There are phones on the market that are identical to the IPhone in every sense, and do every thing that they do. Key DIFFERENCE - they are not bound by the bullshit restrictions of apple - they are open source. Apple does not offer anything that you cannot get elsewhere other than an apple imprinted on your phone.

Definitely, but don't get me wrong, its nothing to do with that apple printed on my phone for me. it really came down to familiarization. I had the chance to try others and I liked what it offered and knew what I was getting. where as the last phone I had was a Samsung instinct. I wasn't huge on it yet I was bound by contract to have to keep it for 2 1/2 years before I could upgrade. All I had to go off of was a dummy case which had a sticker on the front of it to show me what the home screen looked like. Where I'm from our cell phone dealership dosn't have all the options of real cellphones plugged in to let you try them and let you look through them as they are. Knowing what I was getting played a big factor.

[UsAfBrAn]

Elias, on 06 February 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

UsAfBrAn, on 05 February 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Elias, on 04 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

For myself I went with an Iphone for 2 reason. I knew how it worked what it looked like and the keyboard is big. A black berry wouldn't do me because my thumbs are to big for the keyboard and its hard to judge what other phones look like with there demos. (just a plastic case to show you what the home screen looks like) with the Iphone I had a chance to use it and look through it. So for me it was familiarity. I never heard many problems about it and was comfortable with it from the start. either way android and itunes has a lot of the same apps to begin with under my understanding.

Here's the bottom line...There are phones on the market that are identical to the IPhone in every sense, and do every thing that they do. Key DIFFERENCE - they are not bound by the bullshit restrictions of apple - they are open source. Apple does not offer anything that you cannot get elsewhere other than an apple imprinted on your phone.

Definitely, but don't get me wrong, its nothing to do with that apple printed on my phone for me. it really came down to familiarization. I had the chance to try others and I liked what it offered and knew what I was getting. where as the last phone I had was a Samsung instinct. I wasn't huge on it yet I was bound by contract to have to keep it for 2 1/2 years before I could upgrade. All I had to go off of was a dummy case which had a sticker on the front of it to show me what the home screen looked like. Where I'm from our cell phone dealership dosn't have all the options of real cellphones plugged in to let you try them and let you look through them as they are. Knowing what I was getting played a big factor.

LOL that sucks they don't give you live models. As far as I'm concered, there are really only two big players right now, iOs and android. While you can make android anything you want, all phones that use it are essentially the same. I'd concern myself over the hardware much more than what my android OS looks like, because you can personalize it. I just feel like im tied down to the ground and my hand is forced when I use an apple product. I mean, look at what they did, forced you in to using AT&T until they released it to verizon and sprint a couple years later. I don't like companies that operate like that. When android released, everyone got it, and the phones were cheaper.

[Aiede]

UsAfBrAn, on 05 February 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Apple does not offer anything that you cannot get elsewhere other than an apple imprinted on your phone.

I'm not a massive Apple fanboy, but I disagree. The big thing that Apple does really well is integration -- iOS and iTunes and MacOS and Airport and iLife and iWork and their hardware platforms all work together with no hassle or configuration or even really maintenance required. What Apple's really good at is taking the "computing" out of using IT to get stuff done.

You're paying a premium (such as it is) to Apple for the seamlessness of that ecosystem. You can run Windows or Linux and Android or Blackberry...but it'll be more work to make it all work. Doing something basic like having your phone and Outlook contacts sync with each other is possible...but it won't just "happen."

[Outlaw]

UsAfBrAn, on 05 February 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Elias, on 04 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

For myself I went with an Iphone for 2 reason. I knew how it worked what it looked like and the keyboard is big. A black berry wouldn't do me because my thumbs are to big for the keyboard and its hard to judge what other phones look like with there demos. (just a plastic case to show you what the home screen looks like) with the Iphone I had a chance to use it and look through it. So for me it was familiarity. I never heard many problems about it and was comfortable with it from the start. either way android and itunes has a lot of the same apps to begin with under my understanding.

Here's the bottom line...There are phones on the market that are identical to the IPhone in every sense, and do every thing that they do. Key DIFFERENCE - they are not bound by the bullshit restrictions of apple - they are open source. Apple does not offer anything that you cannot get elsewhere other than an apple imprinted on your phone.

Im gonna have to say your wrong here... Until an iPhone "clone" can natively sync to iTunes, Facetime, iMessage ( message all other ipads, ipods, iphones etc), sync to pc by wifi (all Apple devices you own with one click), iCloud, and have a total pc based backup it cannot even be called a clone... Android can do none of that.. i know.. Thats why I switched...

[UsAfBrAn]

I don't use iTunes, Facetime, or iMessage, so whether those sync or not is irrelevant on a personal level for me. If you didn't use apple products, it'd be irrelevant for you too. As far as seamless integration, yeah that's all fine and good - everything is "in the cloud" - got it. That's how they force you into buying the rest of their products to get their seamless integration. If apple wants my vote, they open up their source and allow other shit to seamlessly integrate. Ipod is hands down the best device for portable music, the rest of their apple shit is not. Don't force me to use iTunes, and let me seamlessly integrate with other shit. Oh wait, if you do that, then I'm not forced to buy your products and software, am I? Marketing ploy.

[Aiwa]

UsAfBrAn, on 07 February 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Marketing ploy.

OF COURSE, they are a business! Wouldn't you want to keep your customers buying your products?

[UsAfBrAn]

So I take it you're OK with being forced into a set line of products, which are micromanaged under one source? I'm not.

[Aiwa]

And that's your choice. Mine was the other. All of us 'apple folk' here are aware of the choice we made when we went Apple. Apple devices have been proven by McAfee to be more secure than any other device on the market. I will glady deal with the loss of a few features / apps because I don't have to deal with worrying about where an app came from, and will it try and steal my personal and financial information.

I don't disagree that there are A LOT of benefits to open source, however there are A LOT of downsides too. Look at phpBB, and phpNuke. Those two open source forum projects were GREAT for a while, but now they are exploited so badly that they can't keep up and are constantly being hacked. The software we have here is NOT open source and is FAR more secure than phpBB and phpNuke, which uses phpBB. That's one of the driving factors for us switching to this software a few years back, the database was almost to the point of corruption from so many SQL injections and hack attempts. We ultimately had to pay $60 to get the DB converted so it would even work.

We all made a choice when we went smartphone. I wouldn't change mine and I'm sure you won't change yours. To each his own.

[UsAfBrAn]

You know why they're "more secure"? Because less people use them, which makes them less desireable to be hacked. An Apple product can be hacked just as easily as a non-apple product. Ever heard of a rooted iPhone?

[Aiwa]

I know apple devices can be jailbroken and rooted. Mine currently is.

All I'm saying, you don't have to worry about illegitimate apps stealing your personal and financial data because apple screens those apps for you.

I'm am sure there is an app out there for an android device that some teenager in his basement wrote so he could steal credit cards or bank logins from people's devices. That's the threat I'm more concerned with.

I haven't looked at market share lately, there may be more android than iPhone out at the moment, but that wasn't always the case and that doesn't skew the statistic. Security by obscurity is still a valid security technique. And when I'm talking more secure, iOS accounted for about 1% of mobile security issues while android accounted for over 50%. I'll see if I can dig up the article along with market share at the time.

[UsAfBrAn]

If you download a app that owns your face, you deserve what you get. You shouldn't be downloading from unknown, undocumented sources. That's rule #1 of security, which most people know now. "most".

EDIT: Let me throw this out there too - anything you dig up that compares OS's getting hacked, make sure it includes linux (ubuntu, kubuntu, red hat, yadda yadda). because I guarantee you that it is hacked less and is more secure than apple OS, statistically. And it is Open Source.

[Aiede]

You do realize that the important parts of OS X and iOS are open source (XNU kernel, Darwin OS, FreeBSD stuff everywhere), right?

Apple's also open-sourced some fairly important tools they've developed internally, like zero-configuration networking stuff that enables plug-n-play printers and the like (they call it Bonjour), a widely-used Web browser engine (WebKit) and a bunch of other bits and pieces. Also, there's a pretty thriving community developing open source apps for OS X.

As for the "downloading from unknown, undocumented sources" -- how about Google's Android Marketplace, where companies like "Rovio MobiIe" (with a capital I instead of an L in "mobile") sold a bunch of malware crap. Even Google's realized that Apple has the right model of a curated app marketplace, they just announced they'd start doing so.

(For what it's worth, I own both an iPhone and an Android tablet.)

[UsAfBrAn]

You know why they're releasing shit? Because in 10 years they're going to get their asses owned by open source. Free is always going to win. Look at games going to micro transactions...Give the bitch away for free and nickle and dime them to be cool. Mark my words.

[Aiede]

Free is not always going to win. That's why people will pay for XM Radio when they've got free radio already in their cars, why people will pay for satellite or cable when they've got free broadcast TV, why they'll buy a Windows PC when they could get Linux, why they'll drink bottled water when there's a tap in their kitchen, why they'll pay Netflix when there's Pirate Bay.

Cost is not the only component of the decision process. People buy something that they perceive as "better" than the "free" option every day.

Plus, "free" as in F2P gaming and "free" as in open-source software are two different things. F2P is just a method through which publishers change the monetization point from the box sale or monthly subscription to an ongoing stream of microtransactions, it isn't a GPL-style "I give this fully functional thing to you and will never charge you a cent for it in any way, shape or form" version of free. Hell, WoW is now marketing itself as "Free to play until level 20," even though there isn't anybody in the world who thinks that WoW is in any meaningful way actually "free."

Also, people have been making the "closed-source option is going to get its ass owned by open source" for as long as there's been an open-source movement, and we've yet to see it happen in any sort of consumer-facing environment. (Yes, at the business level where ROI is a simpler calculation, things like Apache beating Netscape's proprietary server have happened.) We've had Richard Stallman running around for almost 30 years now and Windows still has something like 80% of the desktop market.

(Note that I say this as somebody who's got a 15-year-old Free Software Foundation t-shirt in his closet.)

[UsAfBrAn]

I'm disassociating myself with this thread...I've never said the word apple this many times in one month in my life.

[Aiwa]

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